Odiseea fundamentalismului
#221
Postat 28 May 2012 - 11:11 AM
Stevia eu o folosesc numai la cafea, pudra, e buna. La restul depinde, uneori putina fructoza, alteori erythritol (si xylitol e foarte bun, dar asta e toxic pentru caini!!!). De pofte sirop de yacon sau agave, ce am pe acasa.
''Tell me what you eat and I’ll tell you who you are.''
Brillat-Savarin


#222
Postat 29 May 2012 - 10:11 AM
Azi ma duc la shopul bio, is curioasa sa vad daca gasesc yacon.

#223
Postat 29 May 2012 - 10:27 AM
#224
Postat 29 May 2012 - 06:29 PM
2ut, la 29 May 2012 - 10:27 AM, a spus:
Artarul si mierea naturala sunt cele mai bune. Siropul de agave cica are multe adaosuri.
Acum ce citeam despre miere e ca e buna daca iei de exemplu o lingurita pe stomacul gol, fara sa bei apa dupa. Asa face bine la stomac..o amesteci cu apa sau ceai sau altceva si devine doar un zahar...Acum cine stie

#225
Postat 29 May 2012 - 07:02 PM
Uma, la 29 May 2012 - 06:29 PM, a spus:
Artarul si mierea naturala sunt cele mai bune. Siropul de agave cica are multe adaosuri.
Pe siropul meu de agave scrie ca e obtinut doar din agave bio si este produs/procesat la temperaturi sub 48°C pentru a proteja enzimele naturale si ca e indicat, si pentru Raw Vegani.
-D'ale pisicilor-☀
"I have always imagined that Paradise will be a kind of library.”
― Jorge Luis Borges
#226
Postat 29 May 2012 - 07:27 PM
Lapona Enigel, la 29 May 2012 - 10:11 AM, a spus:
Azi ma duc la shopul bio, is curioasa sa vad daca gasesc yacon.
Sper sa gasesti

2ut, la 29 May 2012 - 10:27 AM, a spus:
Dupa mine toate sunt siropurile sunt procesate, mai mult sau mai putin. Toate contin fructoza. Mai bune mi se pare cel de yacon si de agave ca au IG mic, in rest sunt asemanatoare. Daca citesti dincolo, sa citesti la topicul de indulcitori si parerea lui Onaf (stii ca ea stie mai multe si a citit multe).
''Tell me what you eat and I’ll tell you who you are.''
Brillat-Savarin


#227
Postat 30 May 2012 - 02:10 AM
Maya, la 29 May 2012 - 07:02 PM, a spus:
Uma, la 29 May 2012 - 06:29 PM, a spus:
Artarul si mierea naturala sunt cele mai bune. Siropul de agave cica are multe adaosuri.
Pe siropul meu de agave scrie ca e obtinut doar din agave bio si este produs/procesat la temperaturi sub 48°C pentru a proteja enzimele naturale si ca e indicat, si pentru Raw Vegani.
Iote ce zice lumea (nu e singurul pe care l-am gasit):
The Myth of Agave as a “Healthy” Sugar Substitute
•Agave syrup is neither a natural food nor organic
Fully chemically processed sap from the agave plant is known as hydrolyzed high fructose inulin syrup.
According to Dr. Ingrid Kohlstadt, a fellow of the American College of Nutrition and an associate faculty member at Johns Hopkins School of Public Health:
“[Agave is] almost all fructose, highly processed sugar with great marketing.”
•Agave syrup is not low calorie.
Agave syrup is about 16 calories per teaspoon, the same as table sugar.
•Agave syrup may not have a low glycemic index.
Depending upon where the agave comes from and the amount of heat used to process it, your agave syrup can be anywhere from 55 percent to 90 percent fructose! (And it’s likely you won’t be able to tell from the product label.)
This range of fructose content hardly makes agave syrup a logical choice if you’re hoping to avoid the high levels of fructose in HFCS (high fructose corn syrup).
And if you’re diabetic, you should know that the alleged benefit of agave for diabetics is purely speculative. Very few agave studies have been documented, and most involved rats. There have been no clinical studies done on its safety for diabetics.
Since most agave syrup has such a high percentage of fructose, your blood sugar will likely spike just as it would if you were consuming regular sugar or HFCS, and you would also run the risk of raising your triglyceride levels. It’s also important to understand that whereas the glucose in other sugars are converted to blood glucose, fructose is a relatively unregulated source of fuel that your liver converts to fat and cholesterol.
A significant danger here is that fructose does not stimulate your insulin secretion, nor enhance leptin production, which is thought to be involved in appetite regulation. (This was detailed in one of the most thorough scientific analyses published to date on this topic.)
Because insulin and leptin act as key signals in regulating how much food you eat, as well as your body weight, dietary fructose can also contribute to increased food intake and weight gain.
Therefore, if you need to lose weight, fructose is one type of sugar you’ll definitely want to avoid, no matter what the source is.
Aici e tot articolul:
http://articles.merc...over-truth.aspx
Amu' nu stiu pe cine sa cred...
#228
Postat 30 May 2012 - 07:54 AM
#229
Postat 30 May 2012 - 08:24 AM
fireste ca n-ar functiona daca as fi sweet addict, care o chestie care nu se lipeste de ADN-ul meu genetic! sunt si oameni care nu mananca dulciuri oricat de ciudat pare.
si ceai pot sa beau si fara zahar, dar cafeaua in niciun caz, cum spun arabii cafeaua trebuie sa fie tare, neagra ca noaptea si dulce ca dragostea
#230
Postat 30 May 2012 - 09:39 AM
Uma, la 30 May 2012 - 02:10 AM, a spus:
The Myth of Agave as a “Healthy” Sugar Substitute
•Agave syrup is neither a natural food nor organic
Fully chemically processed sap from the agave plant is known as hydrolyzed high fructose inulin syrup.
According to Dr. Ingrid Kohlstadt, a fellow of the American College of Nutrition and an associate faculty member at Johns Hopkins School of Public Health:
“[Agave is] almost all fructose, highly processed sugar with great marketing.”
•Agave syrup is not low calorie.
Agave syrup is about 16 calories per teaspoon, the same as table sugar.
•Agave syrup may not have a low glycemic index.
Depending upon where the agave comes from and the amount of heat used to process it, your agave syrup can be anywhere from 55 percent to 90 percent fructose! (And it’s likely you won’t be able to tell from the product label.)
This range of fructose content hardly makes agave syrup a logical choice if you’re hoping to avoid the high levels of fructose in HFCS (high fructose corn syrup).
And if you’re diabetic, you should know that the alleged benefit of agave for diabetics is purely speculative. Very few agave studies have been documented, and most involved rats. There have been no clinical studies done on its safety for diabetics.
Since most agave syrup has such a high percentage of fructose, your blood sugar will likely spike just as it would if you were consuming regular sugar or HFCS, and you would also run the risk of raising your triglyceride levels. It’s also important to understand that whereas the glucose in other sugars are converted to blood glucose, fructose is a relatively unregulated source of fuel that your liver converts to fat and cholesterol.
A significant danger here is that fructose does not stimulate your insulin secretion, nor enhance leptin production, which is thought to be involved in appetite regulation. (This was detailed in one of the most thorough scientific analyses published to date on this topic.)
Because insulin and leptin act as key signals in regulating how much food you eat, as well as your body weight, dietary fructose can also contribute to increased food intake and weight gain.
Therefore, if you need to lose weight, fructose is one type of sugar you’ll definitely want to avoid, no matter what the source is.
Aici e tot articolul:
http://articles.merc...over-truth.aspx
Amu' nu stiu pe cine sa cred...
Uma asa sunt probabil multe studii de genul: e bun sau nu; la orice sirop.
La faza cu "nu poate avea IG mic", mi se pare foarte aiurea si nu e argumentat cum trebuie. IG ul se masoara intr un laborator specializat, pe mai multe persoane si oricum va varia putin. Nu poti sa l compari high corn fructose syrup. Ala are IG mare, iar si porumbul are si va avea mereu un IG mare.
IG ul variaza la orice aliment, in functie de cum este facut, cat este procesat, cum il "primeste" organismul, cat este de curat etc...
Continutul de fructoza nu e o dovada ca are IG mare!!! De exemplu fructoza: are IG 20, deci un IG foarte mic! DAR, si dar daca este consumata in exces (peste 1 lingura pe zi) este nociva. In cartea lui monti e explicat frumos, ca se duce direct la ficat (sper ca am explicat bine

Variante mai ok, dar poate mai scumpe, mi se par stevia cat si xylitol (repet: ATENTIE, este toxic pentru caini) sau erythritol.
Un articol bun, scris de CM e aici. El explica mai frumos si de fructoza-ficat.
Uite si un studiu interesant. La astia pe site sunt numai studii, interesante, din toata lumea:
http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/19815021
''Tell me what you eat and I’ll tell you who you are.''
Brillat-Savarin


#231
Postat 30 May 2012 - 06:44 PM
zerda, la 30 May 2012 - 08:24 AM, a spus:
Ai uitat sa adaugi: si cu caimac



#232
Postat 30 May 2012 - 06:46 PM


#233
Postat 30 May 2012 - 06:58 PM
oricum am zis ca nu mai beau cafea decat rar!
#234
Postat 30 May 2012 - 07:00 PM
#235
Postat 30 May 2012 - 07:09 PM

Multe nu-s sanatoase, mai ales consumate în exces... asa ca, daca stau sa-mi fac stres din cauza suncii, a zaharului... etc, si etc... o sa ajung la sapa de lemn! Încerc si eu sa-mi hranesc familia cît mai sanatos, dar na, nu fonctioneaza tot timpul. Dar ce încerc, e sa folosesc produse de calitate cît mai buna. Asta da!

-D'ale pisicilor-☀
"I have always imagined that Paradise will be a kind of library.”
― Jorge Luis Borges
#236
Postat 30 May 2012 - 07:09 PM
zerda, la 30 May 2012 - 06:58 PM, a spus:
oricum am zis ca nu mai beau cafea decat rar!
Si rau faci, adoasbile toxinele alea din ea

Uma, la 30 May 2012 - 07:00 PM, a spus:
Da, ai dreptate, astea se mananca foarte rar. Aici insa sunt libere de conservanti si alte cele, dar cu sare. Personal nu folosesc decat sunca de piept de curcan ori sunca din asta slaba presata. Ce chestie, aseara cand ne uitam la film m-a pocnit o pofta de cremwurst...un hot dog imeeeens, ca pe Fifth Av. Dar nu ma intrebati de unde pofta asta subita...


#237
Postat 30 May 2012 - 07:47 PM
#238
Postat 30 May 2012 - 08:49 PM
Maya, la 30 May 2012 - 07:09 PM, a spus:

Multe nu-s sanatoase, mai ales consumate în exces... asa ca, daca stau sa-mi fac stres din cauza suncii, a zaharului... etc, si etc... o sa ajung la sapa de lemn! Încerc si eu sa-mi hranesc familia cît mai sanatos, dar na, nu fonctioneaza tot timpul. Dar ce încerc, e sa folosesc produse de calitate cît mai buna. Asta da!

Mama ce ma nervozeaza cuscra mea

Eu zic de mezeluri pentru ca efectiv au multa sare si tot felul de prostii aici-zic ca mi se face pofta din cand in cand, dar stiu clar ca nu ma simt bine dupa ce mananc salam sau sunca - ce cumpar si stiu ca e mai putin rea e prosciutto ca stiu ca nu e amestecata cu tot felul.
Tu Maya draga gatesti in casa cu produse bune si sanatoase, deci... nu discutam

#239
Postat 30 May 2012 - 09:17 PM
Uma, la 30 May 2012 - 08:49 PM, a spus:
nici măcar toate felurile de prosciutto, eu am citit toate etichetele la toate mezelurile din magazinele "normale" (nu alea tip healthfood) de la mine din sat şi singurul mezelic care nu are zahăr(!) şi alte chimicale este prosciutto tip parma importat din italia ...
#240
Postat 30 May 2012 - 09:19 PM
Dexter, la 30 May 2012 - 09:17 PM, a spus:
Uma, la 30 May 2012 - 08:49 PM, a spus:
nici măcar toate felurile de prosciutto, eu am citit toate etichetele la toate mezelurile din magazinele "normale" (nu alea tip healthfood) de la mine din sat şi singurul mezelic care nu are zahăr(!) şi alte chimicale este prosciutto tip parma importat din italia ...
Asa e Dexter! De aia numai din ala iau (importat in pachete deja ca sa nu fie pacaleala)